And I know it was a battle. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. And you got all of them. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. I dont believe God makes mistakes when creating us a certain sex. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. None of my sources said it was wrong. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. She gave it to me to get to the elders. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? #JRgossipslut James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 15, 2021 Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. He scared me in bible college I wanted nothing to do with him. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. Like wow! Theres 30 men in the room. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. No, Im just reporting. It was a large elder board. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. Gary, And he says he refuses to read it and says hes not going to mislead the congregation. Just look at King David . One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. Jennifer And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? So Rick had been there 29 plus years. But so much else not owned. I believe the board was deceived by Satan. 2011 NIV. But would he have been able to save face do you think? Thats what the weight was. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Harvest Insider Tells What Really Happened with James MacDonald. Literally more than two dozen people. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. . . The elder board is still in the dark. This was a many time thing. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. Youre, youre characterizing it correctly. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. . Right? On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. Am I right? Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. She declined. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. That this wasnt just James failure. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I payed for you and James. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. And then out of the blue, I get slapped with a lawsuit from James McDonald before I published anything. I remember one other elder leading over to me and said repentant people dont ask for money. To myself, I said, and do our job. And Im just trying to smear him. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. It does. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And there is one thing we know about Satan. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. I mean, again, it was a meeting into the wee hours of the night, early morning. And its to warn people, right? I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. Thanks that is hilarious!! But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. And I listened to it. On that Haiti trip. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? That was you, wasnt it? I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. No, its not how it went down, Julie. And I dont need to know. His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. Im Julie Roys. After you guys. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . And I remember a comment being made. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Theres no joy in doing this. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. And I just felt this incredible weight. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. I need to repent. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. And now think about this. And then you know, you would categorize these things. He has always been a total its all about me. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . And I said, I understand that. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Thats a Tuesday night. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. You can review it. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. We had to deal with it. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. And I want to help people lead the church well. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. *, In an email to TRR, Gregoire claimed that Viscontis view about women does not match the research. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. 28 Feb 2023 13:40:27 We got to pray. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, . I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasnt like, well, this whats whats going on with him? Ive listened to the entire recording. 2. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. And I checked my voicemail. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. Lets try little role reversal here. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? (Proverbs 27:12). But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. And we were at a stalemate. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! So what happened? And again, this was on the churchs dime. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. But that is my hope. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. 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