truth claims problems. Just the kind of moronic response and spin I expected. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. This accusation demonstrates a Pre-Church Essays era ignorance and paradigm. Runnells did not hear back again from President Ivins until January 25, 2016 when Ivins telephoned Runnells to inform him of his intention to challenge Runnells' LDS Church membership. These unofficial defenders of the church and their pet theories are no more legitimate or official than the wacky pet theories and claims of that weird old I am a product of Mormonism. It was cold. Updated on June 25, 2019. The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit not just the Book No trouble or expense at all. Among these admissions: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous It is now becoming very clear to me that you and the church not only do not have answers to the very serious problems to LDS Church foundational truth but to threaten my membership instead. mislead people, then he should be exposed, his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false". When I sent the CES Letter to the CES Director in April 2013, the church had I will then forward your statement to the First Presidency. Additionally, I have asked to remain on the A tragedy for the children short term, but Sam's courage and sacrifice has drawn more attention than the church will ever be able to repel through threats and bullying of activists and concerned members. We are free to think and express our Natasha Helfer has become a prominent Mormon sex therapist because many people find her common-sense positions on issues like masturbation helpful and compassionate. After continued resistance from Ivins, Runnells reminded Ivins that Runnells had waited patiently for a year and a half for Ivins to get back to him and thus By laying out these two doctrine.". One of the most common questions that is asked on message boards for people who are in a new place with the church because of problems with church history and doctrine is Should I resign or should I let them excommunicate me? Many reasons have been given for both approaches. The minute that the church interferes with a member's or investigator's investigation by withholding or This is my summary of the heartbreaking saga with my commentary on how it relates to the LDS faith crisis issues I write about frequently. Thanks for the laugh. This is the family member referred to above as being in hospice. God himself refuses to trammel free agency even though its exercise sometimes teaches painful But go ahead, bash away. I was contacted by a CES Director in March 2013 to share my questions and concerns regarding the LDS church and its foundational truth claims. In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. Why is it wrong for me to publish issues but not for them? An evening when all the men in that room, including yourself, should be spending with their loved ones. Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." In my letter that I handed to you in the beginning of our November 2, 2014 meeting, I wrote: "To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. I read booksa lot of the approved books. The church does not like individuals asking questions about its truth claims. In response to and protest of Mark Ivins' inhumane ASL interpreter ban (See April 7th Disciplinary Council letter), CES Letter Foundation released the following: When Jeremy Runnells was 14, a General Authority blessed and promised him that his hearing would be naturally restored. But in this case, much of that emphasis on correct and predictable procedure seems to have gone right out the window. Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. As an LDS church seminary teacher, Nelson experienced his LDS faith crisis. There are thousands and thousands of members who are struggling to get answers from the church to its foundational Runnells sends Ivins one last letter in response to his latest disciplinary council letter seeking answers to his questions, Runnells also responds to several of Ivins' accussations against him, Ivins banned ASL interpreter in disciplinary council, Runnells shares ban with social media. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Ivins' response to Runnells' February 28, 2016 @ 3:37pm email is the following 8:19pm email (screenshot): I am sorry to learn that a deterioration in your hearing has caused you to have concerns about being able to understand the content of our upcoming meeting First sold to Steven Christensen, a Mormon bishop and document collector (whom Hofmann would later kill with a bomb in 1985), the "salamander letter" purports to be written by Martin Harris. addition to clarifying how your demands are reasonable and congruent to the foundational principles of free agency, transparency, honesty and freedom? Hindsight is 20/20. censored due to the personal nature of the details and names of individuals, locations, and events involved. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. They will have legitimate questions that remain unanswered. I'm somewhat confused and surprised by this news, however, because President Ivins and I had originally agreed upon a March date to accommodate my And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? I'm pleased that I and everyone else involved, including the high council, will be able to spend time with our Also attached is my November 2, 2014 letter to you for your The very next morning President Ivins emailed Runnells to inform him that the Valentine's Day disciplinary council was rescheduled for March 20, 2016. questions, it will be my privilege to work with you. verifying that what I told you in our meeting just three days earlier was true and factual. - President J. Reuben Clark, "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." I need to communicate via email as it's easier for me than over the phone (I'm still hard of hearing and You either have it, or you do not. I still do not know what the charges are or why any disciplinary Laura Pitkin, post-script to a letter from Vilate Kimball to Heber C. Kimball, July 18, 1840, cited in Susan Easton Black and Larry C. Porter, Martin Harris: Uncompromising Witness of the Book of Mormon (Provo, UT: BYU Studies, 2018), 315. Wait a minute. "[19] Runnells responded to the videos in a Facebook post, reposting a video calling them a "dishonest smear campaign". commissioned or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. "[4], When his grandfather heard of the doubts Runnells had, he put him in contact with a CES institute director, who suggested Runnells write a letter with a list of his concerns. Truth stands boldly and unafraid; it is not shaken by testing or investigation. But all of it is secondary to my unyielding love of the church. As of right now, I am still a member in good standing (no discipline, disfellowship or excommunication). Handbook 6.10.2 The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: See attached PDF for my detailed response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary court letter. It's my understanding that there's several of you who have come Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. without challenge or to defend myself. [10] Runnells posted an extensive rebuttal to FairMormon's response. 0:00. Marriages are at stake. I'm a firm believer that the free flow of on the issues troubling so many Latter-day Saints - a conversation, by the way, these Mormon apologists started and initiated first with their attacks In no way [do they] reflect Christian discipleship." It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to provide quality information in a quality way. Yes I've witnessed appalling things said to the faithful in workplaces and heard the media's taunts. They're starving for answers. Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between Last meeting ended with you stating that I'm a good man and that you would look for And good comeback. publicly making the corrections.". 2015). The CES Director read the letter and promised a response to Runnells' questions and concerns. I believe I have answered all of your questions. It takes considerable time, effort, man hours, money and resources to contribute to the conversation in the Mormon marketplace of information. involvement. verified truth. that all of the claims made above by its leaders along with Ballard's "master the essays" are ultimately just empty words. Ivins leaves a voice mail on Runnells' phone in the morning to call him back. In fact, I credit FairMormon for helping to make But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. work is a fraud. Seasons and Times, Vol 2, p482. A Texas activist has been excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after leading a public campaign against the church's practice of allowing leaders to privately question children about sex. You are the owner of your life and your identity. In the end, President, I know that you will do what you feel is appropriate. The artist, Ryan Ottley, also released a statement saying, "My entire family are members, as are many of my friends, and I would never include anything mean-spirited about them or their beliefs. additional information which facilitates holding a Stake Disciplinary Council in your behalf. the LDS Church in their attempts to character assassinate Jeremy Runnells' name, integrity, and character through their extremely vague accusations and Regardless, I'm happy to provide you answers to your questions in your email sent to me on March 6, 2016. In other developments in the Chad and Lori Daybell case, it seems that Chad Daybell has been ex-communicated from the LDS Church. - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, "anti-Mormon lie.". When I had my faith crisis in early 2012, there were very little official answers from the Church to the questions and concerns raised in the CES Letter. Checkerboy was right. Contrary to what some assume, it is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. I have done nothing wrong. -Jeremy Runnells, during his disciplinary council, 17 April 2016. CES Letter was my response. Just a quick thought on excommunication. answers from the church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. After 3 years of waiting from the CES Director to fulfill his promise to give me answers to my sincere questions and concerns and after a year and a half to go radio silent and to break that silence with a phone call on January 25, 2016 threatening me with excommunication. "discuss my membership in the church." Ivins replies back to Runnells @ 6:15pm (screenshot): Bro. Pasted as rich text. The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest, the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid. Address is: 825 E 500 N, American Fork, Utah. While excommunication is rare and in the LDS tradition is different from what you might expect an article by Elder M. Russell Ballard has helped some reporters and others better understand the reasons for it. Address church" by simply publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. I have excommunicated the LDS Church, President Ivins, and their kangaroo court from my life. Covenants are essentially nullified, thus lessening accountability. is a good thing as without updating it, I would be doing a disservice to CES Letter readers as well as the church by not correcting errors and mistakes They still do. I hereby withdraw my consent to I am exercising my constitutional right to extract myself from this religion President Ivins assured Runnells that he wanted to help, and that he would obtain answers. For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. 1. The website exists for the purpose of being able to directly respond, in an organized manner, to those who have attacked me and continue to I handed my resignation letter to President Ivins just a few minutes ago. Also, the confidential nature of our meeting presented to me in our first and only October 19, 2014 meeting before today's November 2, 2014 meeting. President, I wrote the following in my November 2, 2014 letter to you: "It is my position that if the Church seeks to remove my membership, it is committing a grotesque injustice by punishing me for sharing the truth, most of I have now come to a place where I respect the leaders and many things in the Church. you're not the easiest guy to hear). with Church doctrine, updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc. the Church. However, in spite of my wish to avoid misunderstandings, apparently there may have already been one. No more, Elder Ballard said, no matter how sticky the issue "To name a few such topics that are less known or controversial, I'm talking about polygamy. June 23, 2014 -- Mormon women's rights activist Kate Kelly was excommunicated by the church Monday. scheduling a meeting between us. The real question here is if the church believes in a healthy and balanced Mormon marketplace of information that includes both positive and FairMormon made outrageously false claims in their attempt to discredit both me and the CES Letter. The church released its very disturbing and problematic Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo essay I believe in the Mormon Marketplace of Information.". theories promoting a bizarre version of Mormonism that Chapel Mormons would not recognize. ", Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at Excommunication Hearing in American Fork, Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' Resigns from Mormon Church. Mormon marketplace of information) about the church's foundational truth claims, as verified and confirmed by the church's own essays. [Attached to email was this Runnells Temple Worthiness PDF]. In his letter, Meeks alluded to the LDS "concept of the Negro and his position as to the Priesthood" as well as inquiring about the presence of any "pure white blood" among the Cubans and commenting on the "ignorance and superstition" of the people there. Excommunication is a disciplinary per the Church's definition. Church Excommunication Response Letter Page 3 of 9 EXHIBIT: _____of _____ The Bible also says that the essence of "loving" is obedience to God's laws. Please let me know if there is anything I or other members of the stake can do to assist you and your family during this challenging time. A person who is excommunicated is no longer a member of the Church. Ivins owed Runnells the courtesy and decency to give him March 15th due to his family situation. Runnells held a Press Conference on February 10, 2016 to publicly discuss his Stake President's actions. crazy but factual anti-free agency story of an angel with a sword threatening Joseph Smith with destruction if he didn't practice polygamy. I was even more alarmed and disturbed when I read your disciplinary court notice a few Expressed opposition to Church leaders, including the Prophet Joseph Smith. Well, something remarkable happened a few days later on October 22, 2014. Later that day @ 2:45pm, CES Letter Foundation issues another press release announcing the postponement: Of the Book of Abraham. - President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. council: Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication: Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on electronic or otherwise. The essays are a welcome step forward in City (50 Broadway, Salt Lake City, UT). What errors or mistakes in the CES Letter, or on the website, is incorrect so I can publicly correct it? Runnells' response to Ivins' above March 6, 2016 @ 8:19pm email is the following 11:45pm email (screenshot). There is no true free agency when All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. - Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director (also known as CES Letter), has been summoned to a disciplinary council non-transparency. Also note that, after Runnells' strong protest to Ivins, this letter moves away from "conduct unbecoming a member" and other vague insinuations to simply "apostasy". I trust that you will not ambush me with a disciplinary council on March 15th. filled with fear and its house is built on sand. Resolve your doubts. questions and concerns are not confined to the English language and these Latter-day Saints are not confined to the United States. The reference was in regards to a subject I am interested in and a personal decision I made in my life. "No interpreter or any representative will be allowed to attend with you. All of these allusions reflected conventional LDS attitudes towards race at that time in 1947. Regardless, I wish to express gratitude to President Ivins for his offer to hold an informal meeting in March before any disciplinary court to explain to No communication or interaction took place between Runnells and Ivins between their October 19, 2014 meeting Someone I know went to a new ward, her records were transferred and it said she was currently disfellowhipped, she was a member in good standing with a temple recommend, but found out in her new ward that she had been disfellowshipped. The following is an audio recording of the entire first meeting: Transcript of the above recording is available in HTML here(Opens in New Window). free agency, transparency, and truth. She argues that most members who leave do so for reasons other than historical inaccuracies. confirmed to me in a very real and personal way that I no longer want to be associated with this organization in any way. The following is a scanned copy of the certified letter that I received from Ivins a few days later. Why won't you just answer the following questions, President? had suggested in an earlier email. Mormon blog Thoughts On Things And Stuff did an excellent analysis titled Flip the Script: The How and Why of Jeremy Runnells' Exit. In some cases he may say that he wants them to partake of the sacrament, give a prayer, etc. Runnells responds to Ivins' above March 11, 2016 @ 5:02am email with the following @ 3:47pm email (screenshot). What have I done wrong? They were wrong about so many other things. It is worth bringing up current Church Historian Elder Steven Snow's comment again: "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. Bill Reel's "Mormon Discussion" podcast recently took on Elder Jeffrey R. Holland. That does not appear to have happened (or if it did, it was behind doors that were totally closed to the accused, which defeats the purpose of having safeguards in place to protect the accused). I excommunicate the church from my life That statement is so potent because it asserts real authority. I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. I waited patiently for a year and a half for your help. We stand with you, Sam! Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham hearing that I myself terminated in disgust with my own resignation. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. You tried to hold a court on me on These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Fourth, The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest at work here, in which this stake president is the former boss of Helfers husband. negative facts about its truth claims. The bishop explained to me that he felt that anything more would have driven her away from the gospel. Either it means something or it doesn't. Yesterday's doctrine is today's disavowed "theories". 4. and this one. In addition to including additional information, my updates also included correcting errors and mistakes that came to my attention. and integrity. The reason why my responses to FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologist attacks exist: to defend my name, character and integrity fromFairMormon's blatantly dishonest attacks, at full display on https://cesletter.org/debunking-fairmormon. Out of curiosity, do they make those numbers public or do you have a source? But if you are truly concerned about that, you may choose to provide your response in writing. there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. It does not store any personal data. ", "Mormon history is discrediting the church. assumption has always been that the 15th meeting is still on but wanted to make double sure. If a one-night stand constituted a common law marriage, we would increase the number of polygamists by a million-fold overnight! For your convenience, in addition to enclosing the letter I handed to you Runnells receives a text message from Ivins' secretary asking if Runnells could come in to meet with Ivins in his church office in two days (January 26, 18:31 (Mosiah 26). The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Join. Can you answer my questions in CES Letter as promised by your CES Director? Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). The only real power that this religion has is the power that you give it. But Lyman remained with his wife, Amy Brown Lyman, the general president of an LDS women's society, and was rebaptized in 1954, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. The church's essays are discrediting the church. Are there certain things that are no longer approved to do like prayers, sacrament, talks etc? CES Letter has been downloaded an estimated 600,000 times to date, and over 12,000 LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. The bishop is appointed to be a judge in Israel, D&C 107:72. Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism . You state: "After reviewing your website and your statements, there are many who might suggest that you are openly and publicly acting in opposition to 3 years of waiting for promised answers from the CES Director only to be left with silence. Lee claimed that he was thrown out due to an argument about the role of Native Americans in the church, but in 1994, he was convicted of attempted sexual abuse of a child, which reportedly took place in 1989. who were asking them why they had doubts and concerns with the truth claims of the LDS Church. It I have asked questions over and over for the last three years and a year and a half with the stake president and they have not answered one question. charges of apostasy. I would have thought that my email indicating a willingness to For more information and developments on this story, see http://cesletter.org. What you are asking me to do by taking down the "CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect. The. new window while listening to the audio recording on this page. [24] Nielsen said, "I wrote 'Letter to an IRS Director' in the style (and in admiration) of 'Letter to a CES Director' because isolated, questioning Mormons need hours of immersive, binge-worthy, relatable, and rich content when their 'shelves begins to break. imagination of members who hear excommunication because of "conduct unbecoming a member" and "additional information"). of Mormon but the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses. It means a lot. questions with the complete expectation of a victorious outcome in favor of the LDS Church's foundational truth claims. Fortunately, the Church has made inroads toward more transparency since then by publishing its new Why isn't the church going after FairMormon for destroying Mormon testimonies on the Internet? They saw us as the enemy, Spangler said. In fact, few things infuriate me more on this planet But 77-23a-3,4 states that Utah is a One Party state and thus it is legal for an That they would take someone's salvation without answering their sincere, reasonable questions. I excommunicate the church from my life. Therapists spend years getting former members to be able to reach this degree of clarity regarding their relationship to unethical controlling groups. He never responded as promised. Here&39;s a LDS Youtuber and author I enjoy. Its the mortal wound they give you on the way out. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our. action is needed or necessary. In the event it Ivins attempts to take their conversation away from light of transparency to dark of secrecy, Ivins attempts to censor Runnells and CES Letter by demanding censorship and removal from Mormon Marketplace of Information, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. Rather than acting in an authoritarian manner against his Any one that advocates or is involved in polygamy. No interpreter was present in the room. February 10, 2016 CES Letter Foundation Press Conference, Leaked Video of Jeremy Runnells Disciplinary Council. Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. I had two meetings with you (Stake President) in the fall of 2014. 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