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In 1996, he got his first assistant coaching job with the Milwaukee Bucks, which eventually led him to become an assistant coach under Larry Brown for the 2004 NBA champion Detroit Pistons. I just started going down the list of guys that didn't raise their hand in the meeting. I was the head coach in (Atlanta). "I started playing basketball very late. He'll find good Italian food in Bloomington, he'll get that Bob Knight statue built, he'll win a lot of games and he will teach Trayce Jackson-Davis how to shake and bake with that right hand. I knew nothing about coaching, Woodson said. (AP Photo/Doug McSchooler), Indiana men's basketball coach Mike Woodson. The 64-year-old was born on March 24, 1958 in Indianapolis. Andrew Jackson Smith's remarkable story of valor was almost lost to history. LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) Mike Woodson has beenthe Indiana University men's basketball coach for less than two months but has already reshaped the roster, completed his staff and set goals for the 2021-22 season. (AF), Woodson said, "One dude in overalls said, 'I dont know why Cletus drug your tired old bones in here, he must of owed you something fierce. She created and maintained an athletics database to facilitate eligibility, financial aid, and NCAA/Big Ten federal reporting including graduation rates. Woodson stayed in. . That's going to be my job to get it back. Joining Woodson for the post-game press conference was senior forward Trayce Jackson-Davis. In the Playoffs, he piloted the Hawks to back-to-back Game 7 wins in the first round over Miami in 2009 and Milwaukee in 2010. I played 11 years in the NBA. WOODSON:"The thought process when I traveled all those years in the NBA, you always were looking for bragging rights amongst your peers in the NBA. (AF) (Sorry, TJD, just had to do it. "We are following CDC COVID guidelines, and our . And maybe I was nave and foolish to even go into Atlanta, knowing that we had gutted the whole team and started over with 18-, 19- and 20-year-old kids. Year 1 in your coaching tenure is not supposed to be your best one, but what do you expect to see, based on your roster and your own goals? On the surface, he never let his emotions get too high, too low. He played for a demanding coach in high school in Broad Ripples Bill Smith, but Indianas Bob Knight wrote the book on high expectations. But there was also All-American Trayce Jackson-Davis throwing down dunks, providing optimism that the program is starting an upward trend. Here is a slightly edited transcript of our discussion. Woodson said that after everyone listened to his silky smooth voice during all his press conferences that he got all sorts of requests from people asking him to record voicemail message for them, or recording jingles for their Tik-Tok videos ''but I didn't know what that was,'' Woodson said. Mike Woodson has said he believes his father worked himself to death trying to take care of him and his 11 siblings on the near northeast side of Indianapolis in the 50s and 60s. As head coach of the Knicks, Woodson guided his 2012-13 Atlantic Division Champions to their first appearance in the Eastern Conference semifinals since 2000 and finished his tenure as New Yorks coach with a record of 109-79 (.680). "You guys never saw me come back, but every summer I was back here, visiting friends and family. I didn't want that. "He finally said, 'Well, damn coach, we've been sitting here watching tape and you haven't put anything on there that I've done well.'. He has an open-door policy with players so they can talk to him at any time. You've got to find players and people around you that believe in what you do. 1 in the preseason of the 1979-80 campaign. But then came 2021, when the timing finally seemed right. I'm trying to win the Big Ten. I get that. "My ties have always been in Bloomington. Woodson is an American basketball coach and former professional basketball player who served three seasons as an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks from 1996 to 1999. I've been away from this part of the country, but I've always come back every summer quietly, but people just didn't know that.". Caitlin Clark. "I didn't get them all. '' (AF)*(Footnote, quotes courtesy of George Walker, "Hoosiers''), Woodson said he couldn't figure out the media situation here in Indiana, either, when he went out to"get the papers, get the papers.'' Against crazy odds, they have all but assuredly secured themselves a berth in the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2016.. "I'm going to do a lot of things to make sure they're involved in what we've doing here at Indiana University and this program.". Mike Woodson isn't a stranger to Indiana or Bloomington, that much was clear when he took the Hoosiers head coaching gig last spring. Again, a lot of it had to do with timing, but this was the perfect timing. It is, for a second, worth taking a big picture view of this moment, this night. BLOOMINGTON, Ind. Boys & Girls Club T-Shirt (Large) $ 12.00. Why give up the glitz and the glamor of the sports' highest league to instead recruit and coach a bunch of 18 to 22-year-olds? (AF). "That's like the oldest, most stale joke in Indiana basketball history,'' Woodson said. 15 Indiana will look to keep its roll going at home Tuesday night by . He received a technical for the display. I was down because I was like, 'Wow, how can this be? You know what they are, now that vinyl is back.). We've got to win the Big Ten. Because, again, I've never recruited at the college level, but I've recruited at the NBA level. WOODSON:"Again, I didn't come back just to come back and be the coach at Indiana. After five games, Woodson suffered a herniated disc in his back and had to undergo surgery. Didn't get it. You asked me about at 63, why am I still in this?". In 2000, Knight was fired, leaving the fan base split. - Indiana suffered a 90-68 blowout loss on its home court on Tuesday night against Iowa. WOODSON: "Again, after watching him on tape after I got the job, as a coach, I think you've got to find buttons to push when you're dealing with players. Despite the goings-on during a game or behind the scenes, Woodson continued to appear in control as his even-keeled, laid-back personality gave Indiana fans a reason for optimism. CBS Sports is a registered trademark of CBS Broadcasting Inc. That's the only reason why I'm here. Scattered storms (a few could be severe), mainly in Kentucky, BLOOMINGTON, IN - MARCH 29, 2021 - Head Coach Mike Woodson of the Indiana Hoosiers and Indiana Hoosiers Vice President and Director of Athletics Scott Dolson during a press conference in Bloomington, IN. After its regular week-long, non-televised celebrations, the annual awards ceremony concluded with its main ceremony on Saturday night. We've got to make the playoffs. All my ties had always been here at Indiana University, always. Late in the second half of a game against Michigan State on Saturday, McCaffery stared down Big Ten official Kelly Pfeifer for at least 20 seconds soon after receiving a technical foul. Thirty minutes into the first day of practice, Fitzsimmons had to leave the gym. I enjoy that. "I feel like I've been around the world, and I've come back (to IU after) 40 years. KRAVITZ: At your age, people are starting to think about boats, golf and retirement. "That," IU coach Mike Woodson said postgame, mincing zero words, "was a bullshit performance In 1991, after playing a decade in the NBA, Woodson was content with stepping away from the game. Reasonable Rabby vs The Hoosier Hysterics. So Woodson went out to Phoenix, Arizona, for his first coaching job. "When I lost my dad at the age of 13, I had to grow up, quickly. Mike Woodson has named Anitra House as assistant to the head coach. People that know me knew that over the years. WOODSON:"I've never felt that I was 63. It just doesn't happen. So I don't need much. (AP Photo/Doug McSchooler). New Indiana men's basketball coach Mike Woodson, right, is handed his old IU jersey by Athletic Director Scott Dolson on Monday morning after he was introduced as leader of the program with. But it lives on forever now thanks to the efforts of his family . These are books that obviously Archie was reading. He just wasnt very verbal with people that he didnt know.. I mean that's something I've been doing for such a long time now. We left our game in West Lafayette, Woodson said. Whereas some NBA coaches may perceive college basketball as a step down, Woodson hasn't, especially not in the brutally-honest Big Ten where a team can be humbled on any given night just as easily as it can be praised. Right after I got here I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce and got egg noodles with ketchup. I don't need much. But I'd just won an NBA title. A good tutor figures out what you can do, and what you need to do better, just like a basketball coach, its not that different, and you try to make sure they improve. IU Athletic Director Scott Dolson flew to New York, where Woodson laid out his vision for the program and how he was going to bridge generations of a program. (AP Photo/Frank Franklin II, File), Former Indiana basketball head coach Bobby Knight, center, makes his first appearance at Indiana University since his dismissal in September of 2000. Woody, why dont you come out and be my assistant in the summer league? Woodson recalls Fitzsimmons asking. Mike Woodson's house Atlanta, Georgia (GA), US Like Tweet Share Pin The retired American basketball player and current head coach of the NBA's Atlanta Hawks lives here. After securing a sweep of in-state rival Purdue for the first time in a decade, No. Just talked basketball. Instead, they're askinghow far can he take them? I wasn't being realistic about it. Murray, with Galloway's hand in his face, pulled up and drained the 3-pointer over his defender. Getty Images. 15 Indiana 90-68 on Tuesday night. DOYEL: Have you found a place yet in Bloomington or have you owned a place all this this time? BOZICH: In addition to Trayce, you were also able to recruit Xavier Johnson (from Pittsburgh), Miller Kopp (from Northwestern) and Tamar Bates (a top-50 high school recruit). See also: Three keys, highlights, final stats. The transcript of what Mike Woodson said after Indiana's 79-71 road win at Purdue. He, Gayle (Cook's wife) and Carl, his son, all these years, about 40 years, I've had a relationship with that family. ), He met with all his new players out in the lobby at Assembly Hall, out by all the statues. Not because he didnt want it, but because he was tied up in his NBA life. KRAVITZ: This has little to do with basketball, but you come from a big family and I just wondered how that has shaped you? There has been struggles and a bit of a malaise. And we're going to try to make this thing happen together. As a senior in the 1979-80 season, he was named the Big Tens most valuable player, despite undergoing mid-season back surgery. (AF) (Editor's Note: Sadly, that is not made up. I'm living in an apartment. Whether it was leading the Hoosiers to their first NCAA Tournament appearance since 2016, or learning the recruiting ropesso seamlessly thathis first freshmen class includes a pair of five-star signees, Woodson hasn't backed down from the transition to college. Jackson-Davis ninth rebound made him the schools career leader in that category ahead of Alan Henderson. But I just didn't like the fact that when I got that call, they wanted to do an interview over the phone. He needed to spend all that time on basketball, because look at what basketball has brought to him. She began tutoring Woodson in 1976 as he became the first person in his family to earn a college degree. Do you mind telling me what any of them are? ), Woodson also wondered why there was no statue of his coach, Bob Knight, who won three titles in the building. "We had our struggles early with that young team. That's not my style. "A week later, we'd had some communications within that week. Indiana shot 43%. How Mike Woodson met Anitra House Two things you have to know about Mike Woodson: his humble upbringing, and his rich loyalty. WOODSON: "I've got to give my staff a lot of credit. (Photo: Peegs.com) Woodson's built-in. I went in there selling playoffs. And now it has all come full circle for House. A relationship that began in 1976 whenMike Woodsonfirst came to the IU campus will be rekindled as Anitra House will assume the role of Assistant to the Head Coach for the mens basketball program. BLOOMINGTON, Ind. The release from Indiana follows: Mike Woodson has said he believes his father worked himself to death trying to take care of him and his 11 siblings on the near northeast side of Indianapolis in the '50s and '60s. It's a secretary role, but one that is critical in keeping the men's basketball office functioning. "So I'm grateful and honored that this university put this team in my hands. But I'd like to think the players we've brought in will be very instrumental in us moving forward. Here was a once-thriving basketball program that has slipped further and further away from national relevancy. (Radford, a member of IU's 1976 title team, was 64 when he died Jan. 10, 2020.). He has worked for ESPN, CBSSports and FOXSports and most recently spent five years at ESPN as a multi-platform basketball insider - on SportsCenter, doing sideline for games, features, 1-on-1 sit-downs and also establishing himself as the pre-eminent news-breaker in college basketball. "I was like, 'Take me to the court.' "I was able to do that along with my staff to get these three to commit to us. (AF), Woodson, a great player at Indiana from 1976-1980, played 11 years in the NBA and coached another 25. As an NBA head coach with Atlanta (2004-2010) and New York (2011-2014), Woodson saw his teams compile two 50-plus win seasons including a personal high of 54 victories during the 2012-13 season with the Knicks. I'm trying to win the national title. That's how I felt. "Scott was on the plane the next day. Woodson then earned the head coaching job with the Atlanta Hawks, followed by New York Knicks. BLOOMINGTON - IU expects head coach Mike Woodson to be on the bench for Saturday's visit from Ohio State, after Woodson missed the Hoosiers' Wednesday win at Minnesota while recovering from COVID. Ryan Joseph "Archie" Miller (born October 30, 1978) is an American men's college basketball coach for the Rhode Island Rams.. Miller played point guard for North Carolina State from 1998 to 2002 and ended his career among the school's leaders in free-throw percentage, three-point field goal percentage, and total three-pointers. But this is challenging for me, and I'm a competitive man.". Big Ten tournament seeding and tiebreaker scenarios, Big Ten tournament seeding and tiebreaker scenarios, Five takeaways from Indianas loss against Iowa, Indianas defense nonexistent in 90-68 loss to Iowa, Five takeaways from Indianas win over Eastern Michigan. Knight gave him a shirt reading Indiana University. Later, Knight said, when Woodson was a senior in high school, hed follow up. And Jim Dolan, the Knicks' owner, that's the only guy that I had to go face to get out of this deal. At Broad Ripple High School in Indianapolis, he averaged 28.6 points as a senior, scored 1,154 points in his career, and earned All-State honors while being a member of the Indiana All-Stars. I'm not selling anything else. "But coming from a big family taught me values. IU finished the conference season with six straight victories and won the Big Ten title. That's just the nature of coaching and the nature of sports.". Woodson missed Wednesday night's game at Minnesota because he was recovering from COVID-19. In fact, it is one of many aspects of Woodsons very public career she revels in. 15 Indiana men's basketball had some momentum for perhaps the first time all night, junior guard Trey Galloway found himself guarding junior forward Kris Murray on the perimeter. He is a graduate of Indiana University and an AP Top 25 football voter. "A kid in our neighborhood said, 'Hey, Wayne Radford plays at this court around the corner from you.'. He led the Hoosiers to the Big Ten Tournament semifinals for the first time since 2003 and helped three players earn All-Big Ten status including Trayce Jackson-Davis, Race Thompson and Xavier Johnson. Its a secretary role, but one that is critical in keeping the mens basketball office functioning. I can go to dinner and there's an IU (fan), 'Hey, Woody, how you doing? I just didnt like how the process was going when they wanted to talk with me, Woodson said. "To answer your question, I'm looking to push this team and put a competitive team on the floor that's going to make our fan base so happy. Copyright 2023 YB Media, LLC. Unfortunately, the pandemic kept people at home this past season. Hey Woody, we can play golf every day, Fitzsimmons said. A story of valor nearly lost to history. Thats all I needed to hear, Woodson said. I was playing but I never played competitively until the eighth grade. A look back at No. The release from Indiana follows: BLOOMINGTON, Ind. "I took this job for one reason and one reason only: to come back here and win Big Ten titles and national titles," Woodson said at last weekend's Peegs.com golf outing. Mike Dean Woodson was born on 24 March 1958 in Indianapolis. Indiana University Vice President and Director of Athletics Scott Dolson named former Hoosier All-American and Indianapolis native Mike Woodson as the 30th head coach in the mens basketball programs history on March 28, 2021. Other coaches were mentioned, too. "You don't want to lose any player. "I scored 2,000 damn points and won Big Ten Player of the Year when I only played six games!!!!'' In Big Ten games, the Hoosiers also led the league in field goal percentage defense at 41.3%. "I've never been a hater when it come to coaching. Indiana coach Mike Woodson gestures during the first half of the team's NCAA college basketball game against Iowa, Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2023, in Bloomington, Ind. She retired from her position as Director of Eligibility and Systems in 2014. That was a bulls--- performance tonight. Woodsons NBA playing career began in 1980-81, when he averaged 4.7 points over 11.7 minutes in 81 contests with the Knicks. There was a time when "Siri, call Lindsey's cell'' actually didn't work. No, Fitzsimmons said. He said the same about his own team after the 15th-ranked Hoosiers lost to the Hawkeyes 90-68 at Assembly Hall on Tuesday night, a defeat that ended IUs hopes of sharing the Big Ten championship with Purdue. For the past three Januarys, the couple have left Chicago and set up house in a Bloomington extended-stay hotel. (Photo by Brian Spurlock/Icon Sportswire) (Icon Sportswire via AP Images) - 2NHDRKD from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. Trey Galloway scored five quick points to help the Hoosiers cut the deficit to 21-18, but Iowa responded with a 13-2 spurt that included a pair of 3s from Payton Sandfort. What does that mean to you and how do you hope to accomplish it? Homes - Celebrity - Sports - Basketball Links: en.wikipedia.org By: neotrix Advertisement Celebrity Homes Mailing List Policies Your Name Comment Advertisement Nearby: "It's just, I've been coaching so long it's just what I do, so I feel comfortable being back here. He averaged 21.0 points during his junior season and helped lead Indiana to an NIT Championship. Proudly powered by Tuto WordPress theme from, Baseball Schedule (links to iuhoosiers.com), IU basketball still in contention for a Big Ten Tournament double-bye, The Daily Hoosier Report: The Latest in IU News and Recruiting Notes (3/1), Watch: Q&A with IU football OC Walt Bell, new WR coach Anthony Tucker, Look: IU radio legend Don Fischer featured on BTNs The Journey, IU basketball: Iowa at Indiana The Report Card, Iowa extends winning streak over IU by causing defensive breakdowns, Watch: Woodson and Jackson-Davis discuss loss to Iowa Its just unacceptable. What message did you have that resonated with them? And I honestly thought I could help him make the next move to the big leagues. Tony Perkins, who might make my All-Indiana Killer team if I bother to do one, then escaped Galloway's attention for another layup to make . And when Chester Woodson passed away in 1971, a 13-year-old Michael Dean Woodson followed suit he put his head down and got work. You guys are not even giving me a chance.'. (AP) Trayce Jackson-Davis quickly caught and surpassed his coach on Indiana's career scoring list Saturday. KRAVITZ: When you talk to former IU players, they talk about how the culture, the Indiana culture, has been lost the last number of years. "People don't give that enough credit. DOYEL: What kind of season is acceptable in Year 1? And when Chester Woodson passed away in 1971, a 13-year-old Michael Dean Woodson followed suit he put his head down and got work. With all that, the silky smooth Woodson decided to use those dulcet tones to record audio versions of bedtime stories instead of coaching basketball, hence the announcement today on April 1. Then we've got to sell it as a unit. WOODSON:"First of all, to think about all the accomplishments that coach Knight has had in his career as a coach and even as a player at Ohio State it's hard to imagine for me, the guy who played for him, the guy who was given a scholarship to come from Indianapolis to play for him at Indiana, for me, it's like a dream come true. Im the coach, I gotta get them ready to play. I just wasn't ready to walk away. KRAVITZ: You've talked about bridging the gap between the older generation and the new generation of IU fans. I'm an IU grad.'. "It wasn't funny 35 years ago, and it's sure not funny now.'' I said, 'Hey, man, let's do this together. Iowa had built a double-digit lead less than three minutes into the game and made its first five shots, including three 3-pointers. When you were away, what did you think about what was going on, why it was that way and how it could be fixed? Below is the full transcript. It hasn't been perfect. WOODSON: "I don't know if IU has ever lost its brand. He had the honor of playing for some of the most decorated coaches in league history including Red Holzman (Knicks) Larry Brown (Nets) Cotton Fitzsimmons (Kings); Gene Shue (Clippers), Don Chaney (Clippers and Rockets). And you have no idea how much it means to me," Woodson said. He didn't want to see his defense make a habit of allowing 90 points, like it did against the No. 12-seed Wyoming in the NCAA Tournament, the Hoosiers' first March Madness win in six years. The Hoosiers are now 20-10 overall and 11-8 in Big Ten play, with the regular season . - Indiana coach Mike Woodson is expected to return to the sideline on Saturday when the Hoosiers take on Ohio State at 8 p.m. ), Woodson said that he drove over to Bob Knight's house and sat down for a visit. Woodson did not . "Then, Xavier and coach (Kenya) Hunter had a relationship there. So he didnt know what he could do (academically). What do you want people to say about the culture that you're going to establish? I just kind of walked away from it.. Hes started to bridge the gap, inviting Knight to practice and Isiah Thomas to Hoosier Hysteria. My thing was, 'Golly, I just wish they would have given me an opportunity to coach them.'. Somebodys got to coach the team.. And if you're wondering what all these (AF) symbols are after every headline and paragraph, it stands for APRIL FOOLS!!!! BLOOMINGTON, Ind. Wayne was 6-2 and 400 pounds. The untested Woodson was left to run practice on his own. After an up and down two weeks where Indiana suffered two losses and recorded two wins including one over Purdue at Mackey Arena Mike Woodson joined Don Fischer for his radio show Monday . Mike Woodson is the answer to IU fans' dreams. Products. while Jackson-Davis could have celebrated after finishing the game with 2,081 points 20 more than Hoosiers coach Mike Woodson scored during his college career it was the second-year coach who seemed . "I'm not selling it any differently here as the head coach at Indiana University. 247Sports . After starring for Broad Ripple High School, Woodson accepted a scholarship offer to Indiana. WOODSON: "The timing was always kind of off or against me, even when Tom Crean received the job (in 2008). "I have those Cook books. My brothers had a lot to do with my success. When all looked to be lost for Indiana at various points, there was an aura of assurance that surrounded Woodson. "I went to that court, and it was a battle, man. House went from helping Woodson find his voice more than 40 years ago, to now often being his voice. I was a 5-9 point guard in the eighth grade. I looked at them. That's not my makeup. Woodson, the boy who was hooked on IU basketball after receiving a T-shirt from Knight in grade school and who once couldnt fathom a coaching career, was at the epicenter of the Hoosier basketball world, winning his first career game. "We just travel. So here I am.". I never dreamt this would ever happen to me, Woodson said earlier this year. "To me, really there is no in between. I feel good about my staff that I've assembled. I'm going to bring every one of them back, starting next month. Feb 27, 2023 at 3:25 pm ET 2 min read. But hed need another coach to help him learn how to navigate life as a college student. Club Kid Puzzle $ 5.00. Indiana and Woodson learned the harsh reality of that numerous times last season: blowing a 22-point lead against Wisconsin, losing to a Penn State team which hadn't played in over three weeks due to health and safety protocols, falling to Rutgers at home on a buzzer-beater three-pointer from Ron Harper Jr., the list goes on. BLOOMINGTON, Ind. He lost his dad when he was 13, and he started working part-time, and going to school, and moving around to different schools, and playing basketball. @Knickoson42. They wanted me to stay on board. "I couldn't believe it after all these years. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. I dont want no part of coaching.. Share. I don't care what level you coach at or what sport you coach. The former NBA player and current coach owns this property. Woodson captained the USAs Pan American Games team to a gold medal during the summer prior to his senior year and was all set to have a perfect season with the Hoosiers who were ranked No. Indiana was that way. Email notifications are only sent once a day, and only if there are new matching items. He often looked back at his assistant coaches or twirled his finger to urge his players on. Its nice.. The Boston Celtics head coach reportedly turned down the Hoosiers last month before IU eventually hired Mike Woodson as its head basketball coach. Indiana will hire former star player and longtime NBA coach Mike Woodson as its new head coach. Indiana (20-10, 11-8) concludes the regular season on Sunday at home against Michigan. My senior year in college I did an internship at the company. 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