One more narcissistic, egotistical, Out of control, self-serving man in a position of trust has been stopped in his tracts. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. What nonsense. I asked my mom once why she endured physical abuse so long from my father, and she gave me similar answers. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. Lynne Hybels was born on 21st November 1951. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! Its not the victim. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Really? On our travels last summer one of the high points for my husband was to attend Willow Creek Church. If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. Be an individual. Willow Creek needs Jesus and they need to let Him be in control. No one walks away unascathed. I know a lot of people who just want Christian life to be perfect and they will use every type of denial tactic to believe thats true. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye. Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Honest to Pete until this very discussion I thought that this was just the way that decent people behave. Timing is interesting. Nothing substitutes for diligent study and wide reading. This is a well worn story, insert Pastor name here, insert church name here. This was mishandled. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. It is the Spirits job to convict and change. Its a thing now. The fact that just a bunch of us posting our opinions on blogs can cause such a ruckus tells me we are touching infected nerves.. I think Bill Hybels is an intelligent man. https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg By the time you get there, youve probably already been compromised yourself, youve supported a lot of evil things, youve shouted down others who were only trying to get at the truth (as I once did, alassorry, Adam, you were right and I was wrong, pastor really was up to no good), and its not easy to extricate yourself or your family. It can be such a power deal included in lots of other power moves by the evil ones well regarded in church. Of course Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). @ okrapod: Gossip! Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. No worries. People said the same sort of things about us, people sneered at us, shunned us, surely said Whats wrong with this picture just like you did. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. See, here is the problem . Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. These are tools, and can be applied to any agenda just change the talking points. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: We made sure I would not be placed in a situation like that again. Bill Cosby, no less, but under the umbrella of a church. On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Nancy Ortbergs post is downright damning, IMO. The strength and impact of Nancy Beachs and Vonda Dyers words remain, thankfully. This is VERY common. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? Some years ago on a dictionary of internet slang, Christian Side Hug was a term for non-genital sex intended to preserve technical virginity. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. @ okrapod: Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Sad! I think the *Ambien* excuse is important in this account. Lengthy quotes rarely get read and can be annoying. Both are the same in outcome). Bill was born on March 1, 1948 to Dr. Joseph and Evelyn LaBarre. This was not about a long hug. Same story we keep hearing again and again. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. Same church where Hybels daughter worked (PR for Bell) and met her husband who was Minister of Music, now in charge of music for Willow Creek. Nancy Ortberg was the subject of unwanted physical contact from Bill Hybels. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. I think thats where you get the people that say reports like this hurt the church. There is a reason that big names get away with so much. Emails can be kept confidential with appropriate IT input. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. Hence, I like Brad Futurist guys work, though I do find it sometimes too intellectual for me! But worse. Jose has interviewed TOP CLASS Global Christian Leaders. I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. Just wonderin. Ok, gotcha. Read the books and follow the formula. toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. When you read it, I think you might as well. Who is the current pastor of Willow Creek Church? In 1974 Lynne married Bill Hybels, a youth pastor. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. That said, I am still very thankful for the work of Willow Creek. ..I know my sheep and they know me .. He came to die for His sheep and he knew us before we were born. But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. Bill Hybels stepped down. Good night! It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. Standing Ovations: Whats the Difference Between Highpoint Church and Willow Creek Community Church, Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy, http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/, https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. But what does that have to do with her testimony? Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. Not one. Solomon, Bathshebas second son by David. What happened to people? Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. My wife worked for a Fortune 500 and did grad work in the hard sciences, she taught for a Pac12 university, I have taught law in higher ed for 15 years. Most common reaction in the world. Like you, quite a few of us have spent years studying it deeply. has been proclaimed against the Devil and his Witches. Willow Creek is an entertainment church and Hybels its star. Ive learned how to see the tactics of abusers because Ive been listening to the victims of domestic abuse for years, am a survivor of CSA and DV and spiritual abuse myself plus Ive read many of the statements which perps make when their sins are called out and exposed. @ truthseeker00: YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. These things were the normal and the personal assistants was more than happy to go along. Other women are coming forward. Ortberg gives us some eyebrow raising information. You searched for: Author: lynne hybels bill Should Christians be carrying around tally sheets-How many did I lead to Christ this week? I am so very proud of her and with how hard this has been on everyone. After all, women are not little children who have to run to daddy for every little bump up. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. It is easy for me to be critical (it may be my spiritual gift) but I do join with Dee in praying for the church. ) bugs me. Lynne Hybels did not respond to messages seeking comment. Amen! Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. Where is the debater of this age? I appreciate my bosses wisdom. There are a tiny few, a tiny few. Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? And few of us agree on every point! If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! Read Acts 2. @ dee: Dee, Why it was Bill Hybels! Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. Lets do church. But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. Just published over on Spiritual Sounding Board, a list of key links on Willow Creek/Bill Hybels situation official statements by individuals and organizations directly involved, Chicago Tribune article series, and other writers (mostly survivor bloggers) who offer summaries, critical analysis, and comments. In the seeker world, it tends to mean numbers, programs, etc. 1 comment about arms Their view of the person is completely undermined by the experience. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself!, When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou, https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. she either did or didnt inform her husband immediately 1. Ephesians 4:2 Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors Brad may be a Christian, one stunted by being immersed in an environment that had the form of godliness while denying the power, but he also may be one who wouldnt know Jesus if He walked up and gave him a hug. Is Bill Hybels still married? The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. As a victim-advocate and blogger, I feel isolated because of my time zone. That is where I had to start over. Hint hint. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. Its not a numbers game, its not like worldly sales with rainmakers and marketing and big hits. And theres nothing fundamentally wrong with that in the proper context. Your boss? I have been doing some background checking into this. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Recently posted by the Chicago Tribune, which has tracked this story since breaking it in March: Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations.. One caught my eye: Courageous Leadership. Maybe they even went to the Wailing Wall and performed that satanic ritual and maybe were forever changed and lost. I have seen it for over 20 years. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. BTW, one of the drawbacks with the current format is we dont even see recent comments from older threads. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. So just what is romance? Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Thanks, Julie! 1 Peter 4:8 Or the colleague. It is incredibly sad to see. JIHAD! Forgiveness after repentance is one thing (and a rare thing if someone never actually admits to anything beyond a mistakes in judgment were made public spin). They get it. I know the sun will rise in the morning, that there is a light at the end of every tunnel.Michael Morpurgo. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. They sounded clearly clueless about the price and pain that Hybels' behavior inflicted on his victims. No one. Your boss? Nothing more. No!! Source: www.dailyherald.com. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. Yeah, right. Plausible deniability for Bill. The door was open. Or perhaps I am not getting it that this is the official stand of the elders, as well as Hybels. Alas, sometimes the reactions of people reveal of whom they are a true disciple. (The servants name was Malchus. (My family attended when I was in elementary and middle school.) 4 YEARS went by that John Ortberg learned about this issue Yes, Nancy may have not been sure when she had her experience.. with Bill in the hotel room. It took her a long time to get up the courage to say enough was enough. Who would I tell? Do not judge, and you will not be judged. But if true it is still not honorable behavior. Pew sitters paid for these seminars Years ago, as a 23 yr. old a classroom assistant for a public high school in southern cali my boss wisely told me 1. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. Thanks for the link and summary, Barbara this sounds like noteworthy research on specific dynamics! We are not gullible fools. Followed by the disciples, who never promoted themselves, built buildings, staged shows, had followers, had a staff. It took her 40 years(!) Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. @ Law Prof: In 1974, Bill Hybels married Lynne while he was still a youth pastor. Not the courtroom. In the end the price has already been paid by Jesus and its Only By Grace that we enter.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0. I teach fraud for a living, you see, developed my universitys curriculum on it and am at this very moment in negotiation with a publisher to develop a textbook on it. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. You think you know yet you dont. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Hee hee. Home; NEWS; Actress; . is lynne hybels still married to bill. You were there (especially for children) WTF? 2 comments not allowed. Please read what I, a former elder, wrote. Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. A brave woman called each person out, which led to subsequent allegations, Differences Working our works out of view, Ortberg actually does have a chance to step up and be the bigger man here. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. Why? There are too many similarities between their stories. (Usually seeker Megas go with you are just human and made mistakes and not you are a worm so its to be expected. Put a frog in a pot,with boiling water and the frog knows to jump out, but if the water is a slow boil, the frog with stay and finally be boiled. @ truthseeker00: Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. I dont fault them for that, but its what happens. and this they do with great skill. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. This story involved a fourteen-year sexual affair. If there is one thing I find the most comprehensively evil is manipulative deception. Nothing really bad happened. As we got up to leave at the end of the evening Bill said to me in front of the group, Nancy why dont you stay for a couple of minutes for us to discuss your ministry work? I immediately looked at the others for how I should respond and one of them smiled and said, Okay, see you in the morning.. No one walks away unascathed. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. Nancys story is not outrageous to me. They collected funds for widows and orphans, and then distributed those funds as promised. I will keep the website updated. 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Bill Hybels stepped down. I do wonder what the men exchanging holy kisses in bible times did for their brains. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. I hope its okay to post. Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. Now its over. I find it ironic Jodi thinks she is helping Billy. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. Please do some reading on sex abuse and harassment. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. I felt something was amiss with the email story when I first heard about it. I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. I hope someone captured that document. The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. Just Disgraceful. Only saying he did that for women sounds creepier, but he actually did that for everyone he was mentoring. They did, however, write books, and traveled from local church to local church. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. Exit music: Think carefully. This is starting to sound like Pill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein. How can this stand unchallenged? U.S. Pastor Allegations. Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. Having been a nurse, I told him I found it rather odd that he was focusing on one of the more rare side effects, and that he brought it up to me at all. Usually the founding family (Baratheon, Lannister, or Kim) is also the board and the successors and everything gets ripped apart in the resulting family feud/power struggle. The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. 1 kiss I remember a similar excuse well stated by Flip Wilson The devil made me do it., No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ, I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ.*. 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