If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. The Church is in a grave crisis, and we all have to make our own way for the sake of our souls and those of our families. Eric Flood, FSSP, who served in that position for the last . Let Voris live in his blissful world. From the Desk of Canon Olivier Meney, ICRSS Thanks to their refusal to travel with so many others in the direction of heterodoxy on a road that is paved with the ambiguities and errors of Vatican II and the protestantized rite that grew out of it, the sinful men running the show in Rome, the pope included, are seeing to it that the SSPX is denied formal jurisdiction. I know one FSSP priest ONE that has publicly said the SSPX is not in schism. Berg celebrated a Low Mass at 6:30 a.m. that Saturday morning in the SEAS Chapel. The evidence is all around us. De maria. Quite honestly, few of us can giggle today, no? I would submit that a reasonably well-formed Catholic of average intelligence can indeed arrive at a high degree of certainty that the dictates of the post-conciliar popes with respect to the SSPX (as it concerns issues surrounding Vatican II and the new Mass) are not manifestations of the will of the Father. It was simply too painful for many lay people to take. The opinions of Voris are small potatoes when you look at the big picture. Dear john6, Objectively, absolutely nothing will change whatsoever, which brings me back to Fr. Unfortunately, it is about to go the way of The DuMont Television Network, which was more entertaining. Scranton, PA And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. This is a very short description and in no way represents all the opinions of these groups listed. marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. Voris linked directly to the FSSP site in Scotland in his attacks on Catholics in the SSPX. Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. Montreal, QC It helps me, anyway. The heartfelt acknowledgment of potential loss is a sure-fire way of checking contempt and correcting things. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1973-new-from-remnant-tv-a-ceasefire-the-fssp-vs-the-sspx This meant telling them to avoid the New Mass altogether and then he was horrified by the fruits of ecumenism. Vennari & I agree on (almost) nothing, obviouslybut I see that hes not gotten involved in this most recent Voris-shtick. I dont say any of this as a criticism of those attending and supporting SSPX chapels, or even their clergy, which also includes some fine priests. Fr. Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. make use of all the sacraments in the (old rite) at places like the FFSP , ICKSP etc this is where it can become a little complicated while these places offer all sacraments in the (old rite) they are in what we hear voris and others saying full communion with/under rome meaning that they are under the jurisdiction of the local bishop and cant/dont attack issues like the second vatican council. Using the principle of By their fruits you will know them the FSSP is now showing more and more bad fruit. This is the document that created the FSSP. Baltimore, MD Since becoming a sedevacantist, I have broken contact w/many of my family who consider themselves to be traditional catholics even as they stopped believing in confession when they were in college, attended mass whenever they feel like it, but always go to communion, are sterilized, use birth control, are divorced and remarried, are pro-abortion, are pro-homosexual marriage, dont believe anyone is going to hell, believe everyone is saved w/out being baptized or Catholic, are married to unbaptized persons, never go to mass, raise their children w/these values, never prayed the rosary with their children who are now 35 etc. These attacks are coming from the FSSP, opus dei and novus ordo clerics working with them. Do they care? I disagree with you, however, that the FSSP should be avoided. Hope it may help someone to understand the complexity of it all. Those who think this group is the anti-christ will not be moved from that position. You really need a better source, maybe someone who doesnt provide you with misinformation in order to slander a good and faithful priest. arochial Vicar and Assistant Pastor; a man who Mr. Carroll clearly idolized. dear marian& all, Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. Gruner was yet, so I looked past it in ignorance. They are within the Church. Light and life to all He brings, throwing light on our blind spots, provided of course that we give the Infant in the Manger the attention He rightfully deserves. I understand the point you're trying to make when you state that people thought the same of the Great & Venerated Saint Who ate locusts & foretold the Coming of the Redeemer and they did. That constancy, Father Saguto said, is important in a world where constant change is the norm. But not so with you, you came forth to talk. The circumstances surrounding the departure of the French-Canadian priest from the Fraternity were a mystery. No they did not. ARCHDIOCESAN SYNOD 2022 Its quite true that President King inherited a very bad financial situation. Falling away from the Church is falling away from love of a Person, a veritable running away from the home Christ built. It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. There are some very holy FSSP priests who truly care about the souls of their parishioners. Im pretty much thinking the same thing. Servant of Our Lady, The worst criticism of the SSPX sure comes from the Novus Ordo Traditionalists. The FSSP accepts the new mass and Vatican II. I believe Bishop Morlino just issued a public apology to the SSPX also. I do not understand the connection and would like to understand. So does the Church. Saguto is an excellent priest but he needs to stop perpetuating this lie and he needs to order his priests to do the same. So, what exactly will change at the stroke of twelve? The Pope grants (to what he may consider the schismatic) SSPX jurisdiction to grant absolution. With Thanksgiving Day, many are (or were, depending on where you live) looking forward to getting together at home and spending time with family and friends. Refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff by the Society can be seen in their refusal to reconcile and place themselves under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church, a power ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful.. john6 In the meantime, Im glad to say that I now fully support you and have put my money where my mouth is. Shame on the FSSP! Meaning the official constitutions and public documents between Rome & the FSSP. Lexington, KY On its face, this isnt a difficult distinction to comprehend, but the reason so many find it difficult is very simple: As Catholics we are wired to follow our leaders, especially the pope, just as a child is wired to trust its mother. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. Nashua, NH Hello john6. Voris used Father Wolfe FSSP in his attacks. At least warn Catholics who cross our path. Hi, my2cents, The glad tidings of Christmas should be obvious to anyone who believes. https://akacatholic.com/providential-propers/#comments Will you also look at the links I posted above? The very word sedevacantist is almost considered profanity. http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/09/is-fsppx-going-to-celebrate-jubilee-of.html. 15:5). I think they wanted an experienced priest to help Fr. Look, if Michael had a genuine change of heart such that he now feels compelled to change his previous (and well disseminated) stance of these matters, he would address them head on. In this, Michael Voris protests too much. It has all been discussed in detail in the comment section on the above link, about half way down the page. Subjectively, the pope will recognize their jurisdiction at that point. I, for one, would like to see priestly formation meaningfully addressed & perhaps even studied to a degree thats its possible in this format by Mr. V. & other trad sites. Its as if Michael is under some kind of self-imposed gag order that prevents him from speaking on the problems with the Council and the New Mass; issues he used to address with great passion just a few short years ago. He's one of the FSSP priests in my neck of the woods! since the doctrinal declaration of april 15th 2012 to rome made public easter 2013 priests and bishop wiiiamson saw that the society was changing its direction that archbishop lefebre had founded. General Chaplain Father Stefan Reiner. The Society and its faithful simply stayed Catholic such as it has always been and always will be in spite of the conciliar revolution. The question of the FSSP really is a question of doctrine,principle and new mass. No wonder then, that at the beginning of the liturgical year the Church employs the imperative Excita Stir up! Nevertheless, I address you here not out of disrespect, but simply because the sedevacantist position is almost always inaccurately sketched out and characterized here & elsewhere. He is in control, and our fidelity in things both small and large is what obtains for us the supernatural insights into His very life and designs. Who do you say that I am? If interested, you can contact her at 612-450-0273 or gemmarose974@gmail.com. As dysfunctional as the Church can be in her human element and she is it is perfect love of Christ Crucified, our Eternal Contemporary as Ven. Terry is a parishioner at Mater Dei parish, run by the FSSP, in Irving, TX. For anyone who wishes to gain knowledge on the position, the information is out there. http://archives.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/1974_declaration_of_archbishop_lefebvre.htm, A really good film about todays saint St Joseph of Cupertino well worth a watch Fr. The way it is done here by poikolby and some others is NOT the Catholic way taught by Jesus Himself. If we want to be charitable, we could possibly say that its because of the treatment of sedevacantists described above, that a small number of sedes respond to other trads in a kind of a backlash mode, if you will. by Fr. Saguto for his work as District Superior of North America since 2015. ***That said, this includes those who wish to be Catholic. Philip Wolfe, FSSP. Ill leave it to you to decide if the jihadist with the cash in hand played a part in influencing Voris to reinvent himself. Michael Voris has a bee in his bonnet and he has boxed himself into lambasting a group that just goes about its business without giving him any attention at all. ), Supporters of the Society are also discouraged from participating even in FSSP settings because the FSSP accepts Vatican II.. We know where these attacks are coming from they are coming from the standard of Satan. Fort Myers, FL At first I thought this was an angry tirade toward Mr. Voris for alleged plagerism. me) Die for Him? [Jesus: The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. I, for one, have found so many polite & dear empathetic souls here on Mr. V.s site who treat me wth tender kindness even on my worst days, and would never even think of bringin up my myriad flaws & throw them in my face. While the subjective options of Priests and the subjective problems of are friends are real and important the real questions are one of doctrine,principle and new mass. No sedevacantists disagree on this. Without Me, you can do nothing (Jn. Thats Mr. V.s job. The only people that ran anywhere were the faithless and feckless fools who, many unknowingly, just accepted the Council and the new Mass as gifts from Almighty God. Im sure some people reading this comment section of louies fine blog will be scratching their heads thinking so many different opinions on the same topic whats it all about.. Im not talking about those who comment but readers of louies blog who might just be coming across these topics for the first time. Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. Little Rock, AR If I do, in fact, belong to an exclusive club, I would hope it would be as a Catholic faithful who adheres to the unchanging tenets of the Catholic Church as Christ established it. It comes through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts. For these past years weve all been discussing how Pope Francis couldnt care less about dogma, doctrine, rules and rubrics. Dear Alarico, ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL & MPLS. Nicholson) with the SSPX marks him out as, Im afraid, something of a fanatic. Quincy, IL For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. Voris and Co. no longer has an interest in urging their viewers to do that; Voris simply wants to dictate to the audience what serves him best. His visit was strictly Fraternity business; he is visiting all apostolates in connection with his duties as Superior General. If I ever respond with animosity (real or perceived) or have a defensive reaction, I take full responsibility for that & ask forgiveness for the vice it represents. We are all fighting for the faith in one way or another. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Voris- shmoriswho cares? Paul has been designing and carving ecclesiastical interiors for the past several years. Today, he is unwilling even to address those specific conciliar propositions that are so clearly at odds with the tradition of the Church, and why this is the case isnt exactly a mystery. Questions: He is EVIL. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, and the liturgical artist, Mr. Paul Sirba. Stop using deceptive language. Most noteworthy here is his utterly preposterous assertion that the SSPX came about in response to some amorphous weakening of the Church.. Zachary Akers (FSSP Director of Development) on the Fraternity's new album, "Requiem". If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. Tulsa, OK . From what Louies stated himself, he welcomes all voices whether blunt, shy, up front, in your face or the opposite as well as the sedvacantist voice, as mine is. Louie, your excellent blog is being hijacked. Edmonton, AB These three priests will raise the total number . San Diego, CA Qubec, QC No need to be so defensive i wrote a short paragraph to explain things to people who read the blog and comments. In reality, it is far more likely the case that it was used with permission, tacit or otherwise, thanks perhaps to Terry Carroll and his Mater Dei connection. Nor is it a personal attack on you. +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . Mine is no1. Kansas City/Westwood, KS Clearly many of them have the Faith and are holy. Springdale, AR FSSP en MEXICO - Oficial 14.7K subscribers Subscribe Like Share 1.8K views 1 year ago Esto es una pequesima muestra de lo que da identidad a la FSSP. Dear DeMaria and my2cents, Montreal, QC This argument is fair enough; objective reality isnt subject to legal pronouncements. INTROIT "Gaudeamus" Score Sung without organ accompaniment by men only Conductor: Jeff Ostrowski To access the rehearsal files, go HEREand scroll down to 31 May. In other words I am speaking about what the group believes officially and publicly. In charity, I pray that every Catholic should be as blessed. That we were all good people. (Remember, divine mercy had been condemned 3 times.) heh-heh, point taken! 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