Better options out there? Unfortunately, they're a way down the list now. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. The VKB Ultimate grip may be interesting due to the material and modularity of it. > Reviews My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Previously, those functions sat on a tiny hat switch on my throttle. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? Is the base the same on both? JavaScript is disabled. I have a warthog here, definitely above other sticks I owned, I feel like Virpils are too. Sign up for a new account in our community. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. Cookie Notice From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! Something went wrong. People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). That made the experience in Star Citizen, which features a surprising amount of walking, much more enjoyable. All rights reserved Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. I read a few posts about which is best but most people commenting have not used both to really compare. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. They've all been excellent, but I wouldn't choose a Delta for a primary grip in any game; it's ambidextrous which is cool I guess, but while it's good for either hand, it's not great for either hand. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. By Dunno how it is usable in space sims. Valve Corporation. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). 12V/7.5A. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. The Virpil Constellation Alpha also comes in a left-handed variant. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. Thanks, Ill take your advise. So far Im extremely impressed. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. After nearly a decade of watching modest, incremental improvements in the space its nice to see a manufacturer innovating with their flight sticks. I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. And every one but a single dial is bound. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). You must log in or register to reply here. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Nice descriptions. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. Those look awfully nice. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? I will look for that in VPC config software. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. It may show you something you did wrong. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. That's it. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. Virpil pedals are much, much lower to the floor and accommodate a wider stance which, as a 66 man, I greatly appreciate. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . Theyre also beautifully powder coated, and come with all the bolts you need to make the attachment to the Constellation. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. I'm in a similar boat to you. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Press J to jump to the feed. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. This applies to the connector between grip and base. > DIY Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. Question on the VKB customization software? Jmo If so, how and what programs? TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? So I did that, but two things happened: one was checking in Windows, I saw THREE T-50 CM throttles, although ED now could see all the panel buttons and switches. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. JavaScript is disabled. Valve Corporation. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Virpil has the better engineers. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. This is significant. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. Ive had a pretty good experience with the Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals for the last few years, but they hang from a large central column that takes up a lot of space in my office. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. The game to get one is better than playing ED. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It works perfectly with all buttons. I have an in-depth write up here. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. All rights reserved. What 'limit' are you talking about? Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). Probably a little bit of a chore to swap them out. Please enter a valid email and try again. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. For more information, please see our If you go with a HOTAS solution instead, making use of one of Virpils fully-customizable throttle boxes, youll need a slightly larger version of the clamp and a special adapter plate. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. Yes I followrd their guide. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. It features a. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). I have a Virpil setup. 2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. How easy was the software to learn? 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